CWEL’s Kelly Kopp joins the ‘Bringing Water to Life’ podcast. Kelly discusses turf-removal programs and how the best way to start conserving water in the landscape is to first irrigate efficiently. Kelly Kopp is the turfgrass and irrigation Extension Specialist with Utah State University and faculty with the Center for Water Efficient Landscaping. She argues that the turfgrass removal programs are simplistic answers to complicated problems. There are many benefits to turfgrass including erosion control, water quality, and cooling. Additionally, there are many turfgrass varieties available that use a lot less water than typical varieties. Efficient irrigation alone has a big potential to conserve water.